[Cyclopath]

[Ski]

Thanks very much for your feedback, Dave. I've taken it under consideration for the last few weeks, and I have to concede that you are indeed correct. Numbers and statistics and all that notwithstanding - stuff which a couple members here seem to have a fondness for posting - the reality on the ground tells a much different story. Pretty clear that CNW and CFBD have their heads firmly implanted in their asses on this one.

[Logbear]

[Ski]

Center for Biological Diversity

[Logbear]

W.ell, after reading this...

[timberghost]

Mitch Freedman Director for CNW is a "alleged" reformed ecoterrorist

[Logbear]

I don't see how a personal attack on Mitch Friedman explains how it's...

[Ski]

^ as with any other "environmental" activist group, their websites will tell you what they believe you want to hear. I prefer to get my news from news sources, and trust more the reports from real journalists who write articles for the Seattle Times, Tacoma News Tribune, Sacramento Bee, etc. If I want to read sales pitches, there are all kinds of options out there. In that respect, I'd much prefer to read sales pitches about Tekton's newest "small body" 3/8" drive ratchet or things where I know that I'm still dealing with the real world, and not fantasy stuff.

[Ski]

... and I'm sorry, but respectfully, after the way Mitchel Friedman spoke to me on the telephone one morning in the early 1990s (regarding the sea lion trap at the Ballard Locks) I have less than zero respect for the man (if that's numerically possible.) NOBODY talks to me like that in the real world. Not in person, anyway.

[Sky Hiker]

It's quite obvious you have no idea of Freedman/CNW and his antics. A guy with a background like that doesn't just change all the sudden become a law abiding citizen, guaranteed. A website like that that can put anything they want on their website in order to blow smoke up your rear in order to get donations and any actions are justifiable according to them.

[Logbear]

At the risk of offending someone, I'm going to have to ask my question again. And when I ask a question, it's because I don't know the answer. SkyHiker said that pretty well when he said this.

[Logbear]

Now I find that Mitch Friedman has been collaborating with ranchers, loggers, and hound hunters. I'm really not happy that he collaborated with hound hunters.

[Logbear]

Mitch Friedman: https://www.seattletimes.com/author/mitch-friedman/ After looking at a "real" news source, I feel much more informed now. He even wrote "op-ed's". Now that's radical!

[Ski]

[Ski]

IN OTHER NEWS: (* this isn't WDFW but it's so ridiculous I'm not sure it warrants its own thread *) From: McGee-Ballinger, Maureen Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2023 4:48 PM To: Undisclosed recipients: Subject: News Release Bison Capture at Theodore Roosevelt National Park Theodore Roosevelt National Park News Release Release Date: October 12, 2023 Bison capture to begin at Theodore Roosevelt National Park MEDORA, N.D. – A bison capture is scheduled to begin October 14 and continue through the week at the South Unit of Theodore Roosevelt National Park. For safety reasons, this operation will be closed to the public. The park plans to reduce the current population of approximately 700 bison to 400 by removing animals in multiple age classes. A helicopter will be used to herd bison into a holding area. The flight crew will conduct an initial survey of the landscape and population count prior to beginning the gather. The last bison capture in the South Unit was in 2021. Bison that are removed from the park will be offered to Tribes through the InterTribal Buffalo Council (ITBC). The ITBC is a federally recognized Tribal organization that delivers live bison to member Tribes, supports establishment of Tribal bison herds, and supports the historical, cultural, traditional, and spiritual relationship of Tribes and bison. Bison bulls can weigh up to 2,000 pounds and stand six feet or more at the shoulder. Bison cows are smaller, weighing up to 1,100 pounds and stand four to five feet at the shoulder. Both bulls and cows have horns. Bison are herbivores or plant eaters, and feed primarily on grasses. They are often seen in or near prairie dog towns where they find new grass shoots. Because bison are constrained to park lands by perimeter fence, periodic captures are necessary to maintain appropriate numbers relevant to available resources. Additional information about bison and Theodore Roosevelt National Park can be found on the park website www.nps.gov/thro. -NPS- ================= This is the very same National Park in North Dakota that is struggling over a solution to their "wild horse" population. Next person on this website who makes any statements about "mismanagement" of Mt. Rainier National Park, I got four words for you: "Theodore Roosevelt National Park"